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Ted Todd Member	posted 07-30-2008 01:20 PM Just when you think it can't get any worse! http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7093748&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1 Anyone know this "Certified" Clown?? Ted IP: Logged
cpolys Member	posted 07-30-2008 01:37 PM Ted, Here is a link to his website. http://theliedetectorsusa.info/index.html He's wearing a t-shirt with the link. He has a www.myspace.com account: http://www.myspace.com/theliedetectorsusa For those of you who are unable to access the site, It identifies him as a 24-year-old male from Orlando. [This message has been edited by cpolys (edited 07-30-2008).] IP: Logged
Taylor Member	posted 07-30-2008 02:15 PM Ben or Mark, do you guys know this putz? I don't believe there are polygraph licensing laws in FL but they have a great polygraph association. IP: Logged
detector Administrator	posted 07-30-2008 02:37 PM This website has all the makings of a Grogan "instant examiner" (buy the box, buy the instrument, add some greed and voila). He lists no experience and no training on the site. Does anyone still believe that Grogan is not eating away at this profession? ------------------ Ralph Hilliard PolygraphPlace Owner & Operator Be sure to visit our new store for all things Polygraph Related http://store.polygraphplace.com IP: Logged
blalock Member	posted 07-30-2008 03:09 PM I have never heard of this guy. I will see if any of our FPA Officers have... No licensing yet in Florida for Polygraph Examiners. ------------------ Ben blalockben@hotmail.com IP: Logged
Buster Member	posted 07-30-2008 03:29 PM Stupid question for you guys...if there is licensing in Fla, would that really effect guys like this? BTW, I was told the reason there is no licensing in Jersey is because they said something (going off memory) like, "The politicians wanted to run the licensing and it would be a mess." [This message has been edited by Buster (edited 07-30-2008).] IP: Logged
ebvan Member	posted 07-30-2008 03:58 PM I sent this guy an email asking him where he became a certified polygraph technician because I wanted to get certified and do parties in Kansas We'll see if he answers ------------------ Ex scientia veritas IP: Logged
Barry C Member	posted 07-30-2008 04:38 PM Perhaps once confirmed, Grogan disciples can be added to the site? IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 07-30-2008 05:49 PM Barry, Here is a "Confrmed" one right in my own county and yes, I think he should be added to the site. He is also a Mortgage Broker....go figure? www.modernpolygraph.com Ted IP: Logged
BrunswickT Member	posted 07-30-2008 07:42 PM I know I'm going to catch some flak on this one, but here goes. The truly professional polygraph examiners have more than paid their dues. Both in academics and experience. So when a young upstart violates everything we hold dearly, we want to crush him like a bug. This Keith Dunning has reduced the science of polygraph examinations to mere parlor games to be played in a bar or at some drunken doped up party. Yet when we seek a remedy to exact justice on someone like him or Grogen, we end up swinging at shadows because there is no substance, or teeth to back up our bark. Many look to the APA to resolve these situations, yet few are even active members. Of the approximate 209 members in the FPA, only about 9% are registered as APA members. In reviewing the FPA standards to become a "Certified" Polygraph examiner one only needs 64hrs of approved training during a five year period. Most of us got that many hours of training in one week at an APA approved school. I'm not sure what's involved in the 6 seminars at the Randall Jones school of continuing education?? The APA only lists three (3) examiners from California (Grogan Country) In Indiana the State Police administer the certification and the IPA's standards are a reflection of the APA's. Yet we must note that only about 6% of the members are also members of the APA. We know examiners that are advertised on this website that are not registered members of either the state or the APA!! I'm sure there are various reasons for the majority of examiners not holding membership with the APA, but then we shouldn't look to them to fix our professional problems!! I suppose one way to deal with Keith Dunning is to cause him to publicly declare his source of "Certification" and if it is not true then try to get his business license through the local BBB. BTW, I wonder which company sold Dunning his instrument?? I remember a posting that dealt with that issue, and certain companies promised not to sell to the Groganites. [This message has been edited by BrunswickT (edited 07-30-2008).] IP: Logged
Barry C Member	posted 07-30-2008 07:51 PM I think the manufactures decided they couldn't pick and choose to whom they sell, but instead are encouraging those who inquire, to go to a real school. IP: Logged
ebvan Member	posted 07-31-2008 08:46 AM We'll see what FOX thinks about this guy using their copyrighted show name an their logo in his advertisements. ------------------ Ex scientia veritas IP: Logged
stat Member	posted 07-31-2008 09:14 AM A "polygraph party"??? Seriously? I would go to one of those, but I simply am too wrapped up in going to those ever popular "root canal parties." They're all the rage. IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 07-31-2008 09:28 AM A Grogan "grad"? Maybe. Possibly a new ploy by GM to remove polygraph viability in the public eye so that the dismissal of polygraph as a real practice (except at parties) may be expedited. Or, maybe, just maybe, a young college graduate "upstart" that has found a unique way to pick up girls. Notice the placement of the upper pneumo; straight accross the girl's breasts). Interesting business plan, I'm sure. No licensing = Anyone can be an examiner. Age old question; so how do we stop this type of bastardization and misrepresentation of our profession? Please provide ideas as they emmerge. The rotund, follically challenged thumbs up v. thumbs down guy still haunts my dreams... after 10 years! Jim P.S. ebvan, the idea of asking FOX about this guy's use of their logo is a good idea. Maybe finding out if he even has a license to practice business may be another angle. Barry, the manufacturers are in busines to make money. Is there truly a desire to retard their profits, if they can be obtained legally? What's the argument, if a person can buy an instrument on E-bay? [This message has been edited by sackett (edited 07-31-2008).] IP: Logged
cpolys Member	posted 07-31-2008 09:51 AM Ebvan, If you don’t get a response from the email address listed on the website, you can always surprise “The Lie Detectors” and send an email to the address that Mr. Dunning used to register the website: paigedrew11@hotmail.com. IP: Logged
liedoctor Member	posted 07-31-2008 11:21 AM I just sent the following e-mail to Dunning: "I saw your clip on TV and I was wondering: 1. What specific polygraph technique were you applying at the time and can you provide the independent peer reviewed literature confirming a "95% to 98% accuracy rate?" 2. What polygraph school did you graduate from? 3. Who signed off on your internship? 3. Are you a member of either the American Polygraph Association or the American Association of Police Polygraphists?? 4. Who does your quality control work? 5. Are you concerned about the ability of your examinees to "focus" while sitting on a bar stool at the local tavern? Just wondering..." IP: Logged
Barry C Member	posted 07-31-2008 12:06 PM liedotor, You're just cruel. If only he'd respond..... Sacket, I only responded to a question. If Grogan wants to make all our friends at Stoelting, Limestone, Lafayette and Axciton very rich, then God bless him. Let him buy all he wants. (We'll just try to make sure they get little use.) IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 07-31-2008 12:18 PM Hey Gang, I just called Honda, McClain, Toro, John Deer, Craftsman and Lawn Boy. I asked them all to not sell lawnmowers to anyone that was not a certified Landscaper. They all said they would look into it and get back to me. Ted IP: Logged
Barry C Member	posted 07-31-2008 12:21 PM Ted, It's too early out there to be drinking, but that's funny. IP: Logged
liedoctor Member	posted 07-31-2008 01:46 PM All, My E-Mail to his Hotmail address came back as "undeliverable." I may try his website later... IP: Logged
ebvan Member	posted 07-31-2008 02:22 PM Ted make sure that you file that request with Oklahoma lawn mower distributers. I'm hoping if I can't get equipment my wife won't make me mow the lawn ------------------ Ex scientia veritas IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 07-31-2008 06:50 PM Barry, sorry, my response was (sort of) tongue n cheek. Next time I'll use more of one or the other... LOL Jim IP: Logged
Barry C Member	posted 07-31-2008 07:06 PM It's nothing personal, but I don't really want your tongue or your cheek - that would give me nightmares. Sorry. IP: Logged
cpolys Member	posted 07-31-2008 07:54 PM Liedoctor, Sorry, I posted the incorrect email address this morning. The correct email address is paigedrew11@yahoo.com. Additionally, I found it interesting that there were at least five other companies that have the same address and suite number. They include a financial service, a dating service, an athlete promotion company and an attorney's office. IP: Logged
stat Member	posted 07-31-2008 09:16 PM small business incubator maybe? And who the hell said being a polygraph examiner gets you lai#? My foot. The unmarried examiner I know who holds the record for swooping women up like a hawk NEVER tells them what precisely he does for a living. I trust his insight into this more than anyone. Rule: (male) Examiners are fascinating to women----women who have questions about the work. But then again, those women could easily be fascinated by a a pig farmer too, but that doesn't translate to a night of passion. The only instruments that women are truly turned on by are musical and medical. 2 cents. IP: Logged
ebvan Member	posted 07-31-2008 10:00 PM his address is in a big office building oddly it is right across the street from Gino's Pizza ------------------ Ex scientia veritas IP: Logged
sackett Moderator	posted 08-01-2008 09:22 AM Does he deliver pizza too...? This guy's got all the "pick-up" angles covered. Jim IP: Logged
Dan S Member	posted 08-02-2008 09:11 AM Hello All: I spoke with Randy Dey who is the past President of the FPA and I beleive the current Chairman, via e-mail earlier today. He stated that he would contact this so called examiner. Dan IP: Logged
liedoctor Member	posted 08-04-2008 06:04 AM Keith Dunning finally responded to my e-mail and this is all he said: "The only thing I care about is who are you and why are you sending emails to this address?" He didn't answer any of my questions. IP: Logged
detector Administrator	posted 08-04-2008 01:29 PM Hey guys, Here is the info I received back from someone posing as a potential client: "I charge $149.99 for a session. This is a fraction of the cost of a traditional Polygraph Examiners but do not let the price fool you. I have all the required certificates and licensing for the state of Florida. My accuracy rate is between 95-98%. Let me know what you think. I can get you in ASAP." Well, we know right there that he is definitely full of it. There is no licensing or certification in Florida. ------------------ Ralph Hilliard PolygraphPlace Owner & Operator Be sure to visit our new store for all things Polygraph Related http://store.polygraphplace.com IP: Logged
Ted Todd Member	posted 08-09-2008 02:38 PM Hey folks! I just heard back from the last of the Lawnmower Manufacturers. In regards to my request to not sell lawnmowers to anyone who was not a certified Landscaper. They all said the same thing; "Hey Buddy-MOW ME!" Ted IP: Logged
Poly761 Member	posted 08-10-2008 04:57 PM Should (someone) contact FOX News and give them some facts relative to polygraph and Dunning? END..... IP: Logged

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